“Need Immigration Lawyer:
(Based on all the good references and advice I got from Yolisto readers) I contacted (Lawyer) Rodrigo and here is the responses I got from him.
A permenat visa is a one time process. Which means that once you get this visa you do not need to do anything else ever again.
The Mexican goverment grants this visa in terms of income. In order to get this you have to demonstrate at lease 3000 USD monthly deposits in your american bank account for the last 12 months. Or a 130,000 UDA investment assets of funds for 12 months. Or a mexican home worth at least 130,000 in the offical accounting books value.
If you get a permanent visa you will subjected to import a car only permanently. You can only import permently cars WITHOUT payiny tarrifs if they ar 8 or 9 years old, they pass a border environmental control and they were manufactured in US or Canada. You can always permanently import any vehicle PAYING tarrifs.
If you permanently import a car as long as you pay the tarriffs you can import as may cars and motorcycles as you want.
Does this sound like anything we are being told?
Hope he is right.”
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The Yolisto poster seems very sweet, and deserves good quality answers.
Are these answers (from a lawyer who is very popular with gringos in the Yucatan beach communities), … accurate? …based on actual INM or Aduana actions and policies?
A few are….
I answered these questions on Yolisto, but the Yolisto bosses deleted the answers and banned me for ______ … ??? Here’s a replay of the shocking, “excessively long”, and highly controversial observations that got me banned:
“A permenat visa is a one time process. Which means that once you get this visa you do not need to do anything else ever again.“
Observations: This is mostly correct. Residente Permanentes do need to notify INM in writing every time they change their address in Mexico. Also note that Residente Permanente INM permits for children must be renewed.
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” The Mexican goverment grants this visa in terms of income. “
Observations: This is partly correct, proof of personal fiscal solvency can be proven by income. Consider the following facts (as published in the Lineamientos de la Ley de Inmgración for the last 6 months):
~ Applicants who have completed 4 years of a prior INM temporary resident permits do not have to show any financial documentation, according to published law.* This includes FM2/Inmigrante or FM3/No Inmigrante or Residente Temporal or combinations of them.
~ Many INM offices will even credit old prior FM2 or FM3 years, e.g. summing 3 years of a prior FM3 with one year completed on a current FM2/Inmigrante, to meet the 4 years total required (to qualify and show no financial documents).
” In order to get this you have to demonstrate at lease 3000 USD monthly deposits in your american bank account for the last 12 months. ”
~ Residente Permanente applicants with 4 valid years of prior temporary residency qualify do not need to prove fiscal solvency. *No $$ documents needed under published law, nor at Merida INM, but a few individual INM & Consular offices add the extra-requirement.
~ The actual $$ amounts and “months” described by “Lawyer Rodrigo” are not correct
It is best to use the Mexican Peso values listed in the Law, and convert them to Canadian or US dollars at the current exchange rate. The current legal amounts for 2013 are:
– $32,380 pesos a month of regular income or pension deposits for one Residente Permanente, => $2,650 USD per month for 6 months – at $12.2 MXN:USD rates.
” Or a 130,000 UDA investment assets of funds for 12 months.”
~ The Law actually specifies 12 months of an Average Monthly Balance of $1,619,000 pesos => $132,770 USD per year at $12.2 MXN:USD.
” Or a mexican home worth at least 130,000 in the offical accounting books value. “
~ The Law has NO real estate qualifier in the Requisitos for Residente Permanente.
~ If, instead, one is applying for the Residente Temporal, then $2,590,400 pesos => $213,000 USD worth of Mexican property for one Residente Temporal.
~ Note that some INM offices and some Mexican Consulates are using their local discretion to qualify some Residente Permanete applicants using an INFORMAL points system: approving applicants by combining some monthly income, with some savings, with some real estate. There are no official published values for these items.
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“If you get a permanent visa you will subjected to import a car only permanently. You can only import permently cars WITHOUT payiny tarrifs if they ar 8 or 9 years old, they pass a border environmental control and they were manufactured in US or Canada. ”
~ This advice from “Lawyer Rodrigo” is partly correct, but with serious caveats:
– Everyone pays duties or tariffs on permanently imported cars.
~ 8-9 yr old NAFTA cars can be imported at sea ports for higher duties.
– 6 yr old and older NAFTA cars can be imported at the US-Mexico border. The duties charged at the border in Nogales, Mexicali, and Tijuana are 2X to 3X lower than seaport duties. Texas border permanent import costs are currently 2X to 3X higher $$ than the Arizona and California crossings.
– You can use a Mexican car dealer to permanently import your car. Contact the customs broker Sr. Uc in Chetumal for details: Gerardo Uc, firstname.lastname@example.org
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“ You can always permanently import any vehicle PAYING tarrifs. ”
~ This one is correct. The duties on new to 5 yr-old cars are very high though (40% – 50%).
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” If you permanently import a car as long as you pay the tarriffs you can import as may cars and motorcycles as you want. ”
~ This is simply not true. Foreign individuals can import only 1 car per year in Mexico.
“Does this sound like anything we are being told? … Hope he is right.”
~ Unfortunately, this advice reported for Lawyer Rodrigo generally does not fit either Mexico’s printed Laws, nor the Regulations, nor even what is done by actual INM and Aduana offices.
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Really, this Yolisto poster does ask good questions, and she seems sweet. It’s too bad that the Yolisto bosses think that factual answers to her very good questions should be deleted.
Oh well, it just goes to show: … Different strokes for different folks.
I personally saw no way to write shorter answers… and was banned. Yolisto is a privately owned site. Since it’s their site, they can do whatever they want with it, but I wonder if the “new owners” of Yolisto know how their Administrator manages the site?
“Cria cuervos que te sacaran tus ojos…”
(We create, raise, and nourish the crows, who later return to …)
All the best,
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Disclaimer: This information is not meant as legal advice. It is for educational and informational purposes only. Government policies vary between States and offices, and Mexican Government officials have broad discretion in how they individually enforce policies, so, your personal experiences may vary. See a professional for advice on important issues.
Customs brokers information can be found at: Mexconnect: Recommended customs brokers for nationalizing vehicles
Further details on these issues can be found at: New Rules and Procedures for Immigration, Visiting, and Staying in Mexico
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